Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (2024)

  1. Friday 24th May 2024 12:11 GMT cookieMonster Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (1)

    Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (2)

    Ah Liam,

    You’re ruining my weekends with all these reviews. Now I have to come up with another excuse to ignore/delay doing stuff I was supposed to LAST weekend.

    Have a pint, great weekend, and keep these articles coming.

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  2. Friday 24th May 2024 12:17 GMT 42656e4d203239 Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (3)

    I like it....

    I have used Manjaro KDE on my Acer Aspire laptop for a while.... it mostly works - the last update before this one broke something which causes crashes occasionally. Before that it was quick and rock solid.

    I ran the update last night, so am expecting - from the forums - an interesting time this evening trying to persuade Plasma 6 to work as I would like it to. If I get bored I may just re-install from scratch.

    The only issue I have with Manjaro in general is that the first comment on any request for help after updating (no matter how respectful that request) is "Why didn't you read x y or z before doing the update?" the second is "Why do you expect your users to read documents they don't know exist before doing an update? Updates shouldn't break stuff" then the subsequent posts are split between zealots ranting "RTFM RTFM", people actually offering help and others saying "waaaa it broke my machine, someone needs to magically fix it without me doing anything or I am leaving"!

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    1. Friday 24th May 2024 13:04 GMT zimzam

      Re: I like it....

      So pretty much on par with the Microsoft Community Hub. Their version of RTFM is Restore The f*cking Machine. On reflection, maybe RTFM is a little vague.

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  3. Friday 24th May 2024 13:05 GMT Michael Hoffmann Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (5)

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    I feel so old...

    Once upon a time, Slackware, compiling my own kernels, taking longer to install a distro than using it, before I did it all over.

    Now I'm looking at switching to Ubuntu. My brain might well be lost with Arch.

    Get off my lawn - I'm trying to come through my walker! :'(

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      1. Friday 24th May 2024 23:07 GMT Michael Hoffmann Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (8)

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        Re: I feel so old...

        Thanks, I already run Mint a fair bit, but I'm now looking at taking the full on plunge for my main rig, which is also my gaming rig.

        From what I understand, including some helpful ElReg commenters on another thread, for the smoothest experience you still want to stick pretty close to Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Other distros will work but with more effort?

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  4. Friday 24th May 2024 14:25 GMT Binraider Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (11)

    By far the easiest way to live close to the bleeding edge of Linux while letting the devs do the bleeding. I've been living here for a while and learned to live with most of the quirks.

    Two bits consistently continue to annoy. The first is more a problem of linux audio systems than specific to Manjaro - sound never comes back correctly when waking from sleep.

    The other is a bit of a head scratcher. A minority of applications from the AUR repos that used to work now just give an icon pop up and immediately close. No doubt someone that knows arcane config file lore could figure it out, but there is literally no user feedback on what's happened and so no clue where to even start on troubleshooting that one.

    (Same if attempting to run from the command line also).

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    1. Friday 24th May 2024 14:42 GMT zimzam

      Do you know if you're using pipewire or pulseaudio? They both have a separate version of this problem. Pulseaudio sets the audio device to a dummy when going to sleep but sometimes doesn't switch back, pipewire has an issue of just not waking back up with the rest of the system.

      For pulseaudio you need a script to kill the pulseaudio process so it can reboot (pulseaudio -k), while in pipewire the solution seems to be to just stop it from putting itself to sleep in the first place. If you search for 'Pipewire suspend +your distro' you should find a relevant method.

      As for the AUR stuff, if you're using a helper like yay or paru try searching for the package (-Ss just like pacman) to see if there's a different build of it. Some packages have a bin or a git version.

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    2. Friday 24th May 2024 17:31 GMT Bartholomew

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      > there is literally no user feedback on what's happened and so no clue where to even start on troubleshooting that one

      My first step would be something like the below on the command line:

      $ strace -f -o debug.log bad_application_name_goes_here

      -f is follow forked processes. Trace child processes as they are created.

      -o is write the trace output to the file filename rather than to stderr.

      strace can prevent some applications from starting correctly, because too many resources are being used to debug the problem. But it would be my goto for any program that does not do what I would expect it to do.

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  5. Friday 24th May 2024 14:34 GMT marky_boi

    I found Endeavour a better choice

    I wanted to escape the SNAP, FLATPACK hell of apps that don't quite work and move from the stealth upgrade of my full Thunderbird install to a flaypack.... pretty pissed about that one... Currently running fine on Endeavour BUT have given up hope of making Bluetooth work without issues...... certainly scratches my itch... Been using a Linux distro for 20+ years

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  6. Friday 24th May 2024 16:55 GMT Yankee Doodle Doofus Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (15)

    AUR

    I'm an Arch user, have not tried Manjaro. A word to the wise for new users on the AUR: be careful. As implied by the word USER, the software packages and installation scripts available in the AUR are provided and maintained by users. Read the build scripts before installation to see what they are doing and where they are downloading code from, and be aware that at any time, the user may stop updating the package. It's worth looking at all of your AUR supplied software from time to time to make sure it isn't stuck on an older version. If you install enough stuff from the AUR, your system WILL eventually break due to dependency issues. An experienced user will be able to fix it fairly easily in many situations, but it's something to be aware of. When I want software not available in the official repositories, I check to see if it's in the AUR, and also to see whether there is a flatpak version available. If both exist, I make a judgement call on which to use.

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  7. Friday 24th May 2024 17:16 GMT Lduvall

    Manjaro works!

    I like Manjaro with XFCE. It works. I would recommend Linux Mint initially for beginners, but when one has the urge to check out other (Arch) versions, Manjaro is a good choice. I can remember one problem following a major update, which was resolved by using Timeshift to go back, and unlike the Windows 10 restore offering, Timeshift actually worked! Win restore has never worked for me, and I have had to try to use it many times. I find that Linux installs faster than Windows, it updates more smoothly than windows, and (lots of other nice things to say about Linux!).

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  8. Friday 24th May 2024 17:23 GMT Anonymous Coward

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    Most Users Are Focused On Applications..........

    .......and they could not care less about the OS............

    Speaking personally........I had ten years of headaches with an OS from Redmond, WA (say 1990 to 1999)......

    RedHat and Fedora have been fine (and mostly inconspicuous) from 1999 till today..................

    What am I missing here?

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    1. Friday 24th May 2024 18:18 GMT zimzam

      Re: Most Users Are Focused On Applications..........

      That's because most people are used to operating systems that force them to do things a certain way. Linux covers a greater gamut of user experiences from handholding to DIY.

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    2. Friday 24th May 2024 18:40 GMT Yankee Doodle Doofus Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (18)

      Re: Most Users Are Focused On Applications..........

      > "What am I missing here?"

      The genetic deformity that causes many of us to want to try every distribution under the sun and discover what they do differently, apparently. If you are indeed one of those users who is focused primarily on applications and doesn't care what's happening under the hood, then in the end the distro doesn't matter much. There is nothing wrong with sticking with what you already know and are comfortable with.

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    3. Saturday 25th May 2024 03:57 GMT Anonymous Coward

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      Re: Most Users Are Focused On Applications..........

      > What am I missing here?

      Debian. :-)

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  9. Friday 24th May 2024 18:11 GMT chuckufarley Manjaro 24 is Arch Linux for the rest of us • The Register Forums (22)

    So is it more stable than Arch?

    I like a Linux that needs rebooting less than Windows.

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    1. Friday 24th May 2024 18:24 GMT zimzam

      Re: So is it more stable than Arch?

      That entirely depends on how you set up Arch. KDE Plasma for instance defaults to live patching for smaller updates, applying them immediately through a transform tool. You're not required to reboot anyway, even through pacman, it's just considered more a reliable practice.

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  10. Saturday 25th May 2024 02:36 GMT hom*o-Sapien Floridanus

    What our surveyed are saying…

    My preferred OS is Mi-Mi-Mi-Mi-Mi oh darn it, I’m switching to Linux.

    -Porky Pig, End User

    Manjaro is an African Zulu word that means “I can’t install Arch”.

    - Chaka Zulu, Warrior King

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